Episode 17 - Beautiful Mids and Talking Dogs

Welcome back to the Handsome Hour. Today, we're talking about cold openings and cold approaches, particularly for young guys. We also talk about oatmeal at the very end and weight loss and how that affects our bodies. We briefly touch on bunny the dog buttons and all sorts of crazy stuff. We hope you have a lovely time listening.

I have content we we can talk about.

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We can

talk The UK.

No. No. No. It's it's, though it is Europe. You guys must have seen this on X.

They have guidelines now on how not to take photographs of women in sporting events. Have you guys seen that on X?

See that. And it's someone made a really good

point is that they're in a way, they're they're pro porn, and they're anti athletic beauty, which is a very bizarre situation. It's like demanding that only fans be allowed to run, but Sports Illustrated swimsuit issue has to be stopped.

I I was looking at the pictures. I was looking at the band angles. That's like every angle. I don't understand. Why not just mandate if that's what you're worried about, why not just mandate that they

they will tight clothing.

Or something.

We can put them in a burka. I'm sure this has worked out well for women around the world.

Yeah. And also, like, it's it's not easy being a cameraman, and they've banned so many angles. It makes me wonder, like it's like the last angle they can use is, like, the Goodyear blimp at like the wide shot, right? You can't really tell what's going on. And it's like And now it's you maybe have removed the last reason anyone had to watch women's sports.

I don't want to be like chauvinistic or like a pig here like, you know, make a trite point, but like no one's buying the sports illustrated swimsuit it is. We we we're desensitized to sex. They can they can be running around the the track with their tits out, you know, bare nipple on display, and I wouldn't be like, I'm not

I don't know. I think this is like

get my rocks off.

This every time I like, women's pole vaulting or whatever enters the timeline, enters the discourse, it's always it's never because of the athletic accomplishment. It's always because there's a hottie.

They look great. And why not have this kind of Greek celebration? And I mean ancient Greek statue celebration of beauty. You know, I don't think they're being overtly sexualized. We're looking at them saying, that is an incredible physique.

Yes. It's sexual, but it's not explicitly put out there for sexual display. It's put out there for aesthetic and beauty, I think, first.

Yeah. Why is the answer why is the answer always that we need to sexualize women less, and why is the answer never that we need to sexualize men more? Make the wrestlers nude. I don't care. Some people would like that.

I wouldn't like it.

Remember the pole vault guy who who lost because his dick hit the the the pole? Not the pole, though.

That's why I'll I'll never pole vault. I will never pole vault.

Did you see that, Cody? You must have seen that. That was the winner when the last Olympics. Some guy went over, and he made his body over, and just his little his little codpiece bulge nudged the bar and almost got caught. And it boing, and then he lost.

So he definitely should tape it. You know?

He should That's incredible. He he gets to tell everybody that, like, I lost because my dick was too big.

He doesn't have to tell everyone. He was the most famous pole vaulter probably in decades.

It seems like pole vaulting is it's it's a hilarious sport. And it's like, even if the the the risk of getting Vlad the Impaler is, like, point zero zero one, that's too high. Like

Every once in a while,

yeah, can they let go of the bar?

Yeah. There is some chance that you land vertically on that and you become a human a human Pop Tart or a human popsicle. And, like, I'm good. I I I'll just not do that sport.

I think we need to talk about Vlad the Impaler more. You know? I I think we should put Vlad in the common core. That's Did you hear

that while he was a like, is that how he introduced himself to people? He was like when he was running for office, was he like, hey. It's me, Vlad the M.

No. He had a he had a business card. Yeah. It was it was it was actually shaped like a like a like a cone, you know? So it was it was written around the ice like an like an ice cream cone.

Nice. That'd be really annoying to hold in your wallet.

No. He was a he was a very efficient man. You know? He was like, we're not gonna worry about moving people out of here. We're just gonna impale them.

That'll that'll save time.

Know much about Vlad.

Man got results.

Existed. Yep. And he was impaling people for what exactly? Was it for shooting women sports wrong? I think

it was a very pro Christian impaler. So I think he was impaling the non Christians as I recall.

Okay. It's nice to have the shoe on the other foot. Okay. So we're pro Vlad the Impaler here. Justin McLeod from Hinge is launching a new dating app, which looks a lot like Hinge, has almost the same branding as Hinge.

But it has some overlap with a certain AI app you guys may be familiar with. I mean, do you want just out of curiosity, was gonna talk to you guys about that. I'm very happy to chitchat about that now. What what are your thoughts on this?

Well, I've known about this for a long time. I think maybe there's some things we're not totally at liberty to discuss. But, what do I think is going to happen? I think Justin might be gay. I think that, like, for a mobile first experience and for a I don't know.

Nobody knows anything about this app so far, so it's hard to criticize it. I really doubt that they're willing to go into the level of resolution that you need to effectively match people. I think that there are certain uncomfortable truths that, prevent good matching if you're not willing to confront those truths and sort of accept them and own them. I think it's going to be a little bit like Sitch. If you've heard of sitch, it's a failing app.

It's a disaster from what I've seen. I signed up for it. I tried to use it. It's like a worse. It's they're calling it a matchmaking app.

If we're talking about sitch, and it asks you fewer questions than hinge. It's like they ask you, like, five multiple choice questions that have nothing to do with like me or what I want. It's just like it seems completely arbitrary. It was like I was using the app before, like a for like a week before they even asked me if I want kids or not, which you would think is a pretty important question to ask someone if you're trying to match them, and then every day they like they at 06:30PM They offer me, you know, seven women that I would never dream of going on a date with. And then they're like they blow smoke up your ass, and they're like, Here's why we think this is a great match.

And then every single one. It's like Clarissa stands out as a tech executive living in New York, and it's like, Well, you don't know why she stands out because that's not something I care about. That's actually like an anti signal for whether I'm gonna be so it's it's it's just like It's like there's like a certain level of delusion. That's like, what? How how dare you call yourself a matchmaking app when, like, you're making no effort from what I've seen to do matchmaking.

And I think this hinge thing will just be the same thing. I think it's I think they call it overtone. I think it will have gay undertones is what I think.

Got it. Hits on the mobile and if you're swiping heavily left and right, then it really just is a slightly enhanced algorithm. I mean, if and matchmaking app, in theory, will be like, here's your one match of the week, and that's all you're gonna get.

Right. Well, I think it is more like should

focus on.

I think it is more like there's not they're not gonna have a a swipe mechanism. I mean, it's really, really funny to see, like publications are saying that it's like Black Mirror. They're like, Oh, Justin McLeod is building the app from Black Mirror. And the only difference about it is that it it gives you a match. It only gives you one it says this is your best match, which is like, obviously the best thing to do.

I don't understand why that's black mirror. But like this weird meat market thing on my phone where you know, dude, I literally get horny if I use dating apps because it's like so stimulating, and it's not literally not like the photos that are like, getting me hard, but it's, like, just like the stimulation and just, like, the fast go go ness of it just, like, gets my system amped up.

Do you get horny from playing Dance Dance Revolution as well?

No. I

Or Candy Crush.

I don't know. I I think yeah. Well, I mean, maybe Candy Crush.

First person shooters? Anything that is stimulating? Yeah.

I think so. Like, if I play college football '27, I get a little horned up. No. I don't

Now I understand why you like NASCAR. Okay. This is all coming together.

It's nothing to do with NASCAR. Oh. Oh, but I did I did do another thing yesterday. I did have a, I did have a call with another matchmaker. It was three day rule.

Right? So I've been in the three day rule database for, like, two, three years or something because I had a friend who was a matchmaker at that company and wanted me to do it. And so, you know, every few weeks, they send me a match. She was, like, the worst match I've ever seen in my life. And then more recently, they sent me one that was, like, maybe seemed interesting, but they told me nothing about her.

All they said that she's a tech executive that lives in New York. And she wants someone who's family oriented. So I'm like, sure. That's me. Everybody knows that.

And then, they they didn't tell me how old she was. And then so the matchmaker, I had a video call with the matchmaker yesterday. She's like, so, like, you know, what interests you in this match? I'm like, well, first of all, I'd like to know how old she is. I'd like to see some more pictures because they gave me one picture that you can't even zoom.

It was like on a PDF. So if you zoomed on it, it was like pixelated. Right? Like, you know, I know this woman's not a group of pixels. She's a woman.

And so they're like, she's like, Well, she's 38. I'm like, Okay, I'm 32. She goes, Well, is that a problem for you? I'm like, it should just be a problem. Right?

Like that's like you should know is I was kind of a dick to her, I guess, but because, like she had clearly done no research on me and had no idea who I was or what I do or like what kind of context I'd be coming into the call with. And so it's like, no. Like, she's like, that's not an issue for her as an issue for you. I'm like, well, like, I also she definitely makes a lot more money than I do. And she's like, well, is that an issue for you?

I'm like, these issues in your mind should be piling up. It's like, quite frankly, I have no faith in your ability to match me whatsoever. I kinda wish I'd recorded the call. It would have made good content. But

Last time I was contacted by the three day rule, they tried to match me, I think, with a 48 year old woman. And I was like, no. One of the things I'd like is I'd like to have more kids. And she goes, oh, don't worry. She's got her eggs on ice.

I'm like, are you smoking crack? I actually didn't say that. I said what this woman did was and I can find the email. I was like, this woman sold the most fertile years of her life for money in Excel spreadsheets. And now she's getting out there, borderline, you know, risking completely infertile, hoping that I'm gonna form a family with someone who probably can't bear children.

Like, I'm sorry, this woman this woman made if she wants kids, she made the worst choices of her life.

Matchmaking is exceptionally hard. And basically, entrant into the space thinks it's gonna be like this easy thing. And I think this is true for Justin McLeod and what's the other one known.

Unknown. Unknown.

I read, I was reading about something and I should have saved it, but it said that everyone consistently goes for matches about 25% better than themselves. And that's the problem because everyone wants

That is the problem. But but better isn't that that is the problem. If you're someone who like has traits that are universally undesirable, like being fat, But even in that case, like oftentimes fat people will date other fat people and marry other fat people. So it's like you could argue it doesn't apply there. But but what you have to consider that, like, everyone's definition of better is a little bit different.

I don't know if we wanna get Cody started on vertical versus horizontal preferences because we might not have a show at that point. But

Let's just agree that that, yes, that that what people think is better will vary person to person. So it is possible to have two people thinking they're doing 25% better. I we're all we're all on that page. It still makes it doesn't make it any easier.

Yeah. Well, you have to you have to compromise. You have to know yourself. Cody, do you remember? This is a couple years ago.

Oh, Cody and I just spent the weekend in Martha's Vineyard. By the way, it was beautiful. We were playing football. We Cody and I played football with, like, these, 10 year old kids and, like, Cody was throwing me bombs, and I was, like, catching them, like, 50 yard bombs. It was sick.

But, We were at a party a couple years ago, and we were all talking about we like went around the table and said, like, what is your like? It was like, what is your your thing about, like dating someone? You're dating preference. You might be unusual, and I was like, Look, I don't need a girl who's a genius. You come along.

You come on on on on keeper and you look at guys preferences, and it's like a lot of the guys who sort of fit my general profile are saying that they want a girl who's like very intellectually stimulating and smart and all this stuff. And I'm at the table. I'm like, Look, I don't need that. Give me like a beautiful mid with an average IQ like I don't need. I don't need to debate like, you know, I don't talk about Marcel Proust or whatever at the dinner table like I don't need that.

I don't need that. Tell me about what was on your on Real Housewives. I'm okay with that. I kind of like that. I kind of like having like that.

Just like, let's hang out. Right and then one of the girls at the table. I clearly liked me. So then afterwards, I asked her out. She's like, No, I'm pretty smart.

I don't think you want to be with with someone like me.

And I'm

like, no. What I did I didn't mean that I don't wanna be with a smart girl. I'm just saying that, like, I'm okay, like, without that. You know? Right.

I don't

wanna be with someone stupid. But

I find it's not up to be. The smarter a woman is, the more likely, generally speaking, she has to like me. And the women I know that will never like me, you're going into an office and you see a very attractive woman wearing a v cut shirt that kind of looks like she's one of the high end receptionists that are put there for eye candy. I guarantee that woman will not like me. You get someone who's, you know, high IQ working in a research lab, much more likely to like me.

I don't know why. No clue.

It's because they no one's gonna like you for your looks. So they have to be it's it's not it's not the you know?

It says the man wearing a Quiznet sub t shirt.

Oh, this is Quinette's. I don't I don't wanna this is not Quiznos. This is my cousin's restaurant. This is this is a single location family restaurant owned by my family. So they're not sponsoring the show and quite honestly might not like that we're mentioning that.

Yeah. Mean, intelligence is a negative for people who don't have it. Right? It's like a it's it's eldritch. People are horrified by somebody.

Like, if you're, like, 15 IQ points smarter than somebody else, they'll experience you as that's not true. 15 IQ points, they'll experience you as, like, alpha and, like, really smart. 30 IQ points above them and they will experience you as eldritch and horrifying. They'll have no because like the interesting thing about intelligence is that like it is completely imperceptible above a certain threshold. So like the 100 IQ person doesn't experience the 130 IQ person is like really smart.

Right. They experienced them as like, it's completely invisible to them. Like all of that intelligence is entirely wasted as far as they're concerned. They totally experience it as like, I just don't understand this person. They're completely impenetrable to me and horrifying.

There's like, it's like, be not afraid biblical angel wheels within wheels. I mean, it's not a surprise to me at all that, like, you don't play well with the with the dummies.

I did date a someone who worked as a tour guide. She was very attractive and very nice, but I just couldn't really talk to her on the phone because it was just a such a slow conversation. In person, it was fine. But on the phone, it just you just viscerally felt the gap. And, yeah, that was part of the reason I was like, this can't continue.

Cody, are you calling me stupid?

No. We're Do you perceive me as Eldritch?

What's Eldritch? I don't know. Maybe

Then I guess I am.

Okay. Cody, we were talking about my my previous girlfriend, and Cody had her IQ pegged at 90.

Let's not she don't wanna I don't want her to listen

to this then.

That's pretty

that's pretty listen to this. She's not gonna listen to this. Does.

Can we can we agree that your your previous girlfriend was not she was not the brightest bulb.

Oh, I never said she was the brightest bulb.

Yeah. She was a lovely girl. Extremely sweet. Pretty.

I guess. I

she's very pretty.

She's very smart.

Yeah. That's okay.

I do think there's gotta be yeah. Within 20 IQ points is probably it's like the maybe the age rule. You know? Whatever. Half your age plus seven.

I'm not sure what the IQ rule is. But

Well, I was really trying to get over it too. I was really trying to be like I was really trying to get over it, dude. Like, I but, dude, I don't it was like at my birthday party. We're sitting around the table and, like, you know, Cody and Jake were having this, like, philosophical discussion. She kept inserting herself.

And it's like, I dude, I it almost hurts my heart to to, like, talk about this, but I'm just I'm literally sitting there, like, putting my head in my hands. I'm like, just not like, just please shut the fuck up.

Now, interestingly, a hundred and fifty years, this wouldn't have been a problem because she

anyway, I broke up with her, not the other way. Just so that's clear. What what else is in

the discourse? You could just have you could just outsource. This will be solved in the future because you'll just be able to outsource her conversational abilities to Claude. So you'll just have she'll just she'll it'll be like you know how they give those dogs, like, they pre they teach them to, like, press the buttons on the floor and it says, like, I'm hungry. Oh.

So it'll be the same thing. You'll they'll press the button up and be like, something smart contribution to the conversation. Click. And then and then

I've heard that those pads are kind of a are man. Now I'm sad. Now I'm Let's do one.

I was so late. The autistic

kids shit.

What? I'm gonna I'm gonna push back on that. Have you not watched bunny the dog? What's that?

Well, there

you go. Born from Looney Tunes. Bunny no. Bunny as in bunny rabbit. Bunny the dog is a dog that has, I don't know, fifty, eighty buttons and can form fairly coherent sentences and communicate with its owner.

Yeah. See, I I there's no way. I'm sorry. That's not true.

Well, just watch it, and that'll be our that'll be our conversation topic for

I'm not watching it, and it's not true. I there's no way that's true. There's just no way that's true. There's no way that's true. You're willing to believe that the dog

aliens, but not a dog that can push buttons. Why not?

I'm not sure I believe in aliens either.

So what do

you think? Hey. Yes. Do.

I don't know. No. I don't know.

Coco Coco the the gorilla had a 2,000 word vocabulary. Why can't a dog have a one

No. It didn't. I'm sorry. If they learn patterns, I think that they can learn patterns. I think that, like

I think you learn patterns. I think, you know, I think this is your ex girlfriend, and now you're jaded. You're like, she just learned patterns. She was just parenting.

Dude, that's what most people are doing. Most dude, most people are LLMs. Most people are just like our parenting. We're all fine. No.

But some of us are good. Some of us are thinking models, right? Like I'm GPT 5.6 sold extra extra thinking, right? Not I'm not pro. I'm like extra thinking, though.

Extra hard, whichever one

you're just out of credits. That's what you are. You're out of tokens.

The gorilla doesn't have a 2,000 world for vocabulary. It learns patterns, right? Because when they noted literally when they do that, there was one with the chimpanzee and they're like, Yeah, the chimpanzee can talk. We taught it sign language and then the sign language. Is it just going like I want an orange.

Please give me an orange. I should have an orange over and over again. They're like, look at all the words he knows. It's like, no. You he just knows that a series of inputs gets him a a reward.

So then they learn that. Like, they're

You're you're you're a pretty knowledgeable man for someone who's never researched this or seen a video of Bunny. That's pretty impressive, I have to say. You are so smart.

Okay.

You won't know this without doing any research.

When when I was three years old, I was three years old during the OJ Simpson trial. And my mom taught me to say, she'd go, Wesley, what do you think of OJ? And I'd go, OJ, guilty. That doesn't mean that like I had strong stances on jurisprudence or something. Right?

Like, it's just a pattern.

That was the worst rebuttal I've heard in in about a decade.

Well, you think dogs can talk. So I don't I don't think I really need, like, okay.

Wes, why don't you take it in and go press the intelligent contribution the conversation button, then you can come back.

Yeah. I'm gonna I'm gonna I'm gonna bring those buttons back.

Okay.

Yeah. Alright.

I don't know if this will be I was gonna segue as I don't know if this will be a a juicy jumping off point, but I'll throw it out there as a Frisbee. Wes and I were doing when we were Martha's Vineyard with our CEO's 17 year old brother-in-law, we were doing a little bit of cold approach, and we had a couple interesting somewhat interesting experiences with that. This is like, you know, this he's like a 17 year old kid, and so he's like, you know, sort of making his first forays into, you know, courting the ladies. And he wanted to he want he was like desperate to do cold approach with us.

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Well, no. So we went to the we went to this donut shop, and I did not get a donut before you say anything. Cody mocked these kids. There were these two, like, 17 year olds there playing the guitar, and Cody's like, Hey, can I play your guitar? Like knowing that he's a way better guitar player than either of those kids.

So so Cody, like, played like, I don't know through the fire.

Stareway to heaven.

Yeah He's like, Here's Wonderwall. No He played something cool. Those kids are playing Sultans of Swing, which I thought was cool. But anyway Yeah.

They're they're it was great.

It was cool. So this comes into the story later. So he, like, plays the guitar for a minute. We're nice to the kids.

We like Oh, it was yeah. To be fair, like, I wasn't just trying to dunk on them. So I did pick it up, I did shred

You did just wanna play the guitar. No. I don't think you

were dominance. But then I want I was trying to get them to play with me. I was like, alright. Let's let's jam a little bit, and they were a little shy. But anyway, we I I feel like I had a slight bonding moment with these kids.

They played Sultans for Sing for me, and and it was cool.

Yeah. So anyway, whatever. We go do our thing, and then we wanted to talk to this group of girls, which we like, I wasn't doing it for me. Like, we were just doing it. Like, all these girls were way younger than us.

So it was

We had to Neither me

or were, like, actually trying to

yeah. Yeah.

Can I get arrested for buying you a doughnut?

Dude, we we walked up to these girls in the dark. We were there, like, across the street, and Cody goes, hey. Like, I just first thing I gotta ask you is, like, how old are guys? Like, they were literally, like, 15. Like, we couldn't tell that from far away, but then, like, I walked up to them.

I was like, we have to get out of here. Like, they're gonna yeah. They're gonna

It was really funny though. Multiple I I asked that question as, like, the opener multiple times in multiple groups, and every single time they're like, old enough. And I was I thought that was like a very

well, we'll get to the we'll get to the last group and they didn't want to be old enough at the end of it. But the reason I bring up the guitar stories because, like later, okay, those guys were like, sort of they went our separate ways and, like twenty or thirty minutes later, we're talking to this group of girls. And these same guys come up and they're like they go to he goes to Cody's like, Yo, dude, thanks for giving me this guitar and they're like trying to like, have their wingman for us a little bit. And they're and he's like, Oh, yeah. He's like, You're so good at the guitar.

He's like saying all this nice stuff about Cody. And then he's like, voice these girls. He's like, These are great dudes. These are guys are sent from God like it's sent from God. These guys and He did.

He did say sent from God. He said those words. So I don't know. It's really cool. It just shows that being nice to people and being social and going out of your way to, like, you know, talk to people.

Like, sometimes again, like, we weren't trying to do anything with these girls, but one of them was very good looking. The other two, you know, they're probably very cool to hang out with. But yeah, it was it was it was friendly. It was nice. It was it was a very nice gesture from that guy.

Yeah. That was, like, really affirming. It was like, oh, man. These are, like, cool kids who, like, wanted to who, like, wanted to help us. And and and, yeah, and then and then the third so the first two groups that we approached, it was, fine, and Raelle was able to get their Instagrams.

But then we approached this third group of girls, and they did not take it well. And there was one in particular that, like, told us, like, piss off.

Do not tell me to piss off.

Yeah. And I and I was just like I don't know. Like, they're like, you should know better. She gave us that. Right?

It's like, what? Know better than, like, talk to strangers? Yeah. Like but, yeah, I don't know. So it it wasn't

She's 22. So in fifteen years, she'll be complaining that nobody talks to

her. Right.

She's she's at the peak right now. She is 21 to 22 is the peak for visual attraction.

Most guys are, like, terrified to talk to girl. I mean, Ryle's pretty scared. Most guys are, like, terrified to talk to girls in public, but, like and you do get like negative reaction, like, you know, one 33% of the time we we got that in this particular outing. But it's like so easy. Like most of the time they're just like so happy.

Like most people are so bored all the time. Like, if even if they're not like into you, they're just like happy to have the the mundanity of their life interrupted. Right? I gave these like, they're these like in the second group, you're talking to these two girls and Wes and I were playing wingman, know, the two not so attractive girls. We were keeping occupied while Vareil was talking to the hottie and they looked really bored.

We were talking to them and stuff and I gave them out. So I was like, by the way, do you want us to just leave you alone? It's not a big deal if so. And they're like, no, no, no, We were like really bored before you guys showed up. They like said that, which I just thought was like very late.

I was like, oh yeah, that's right. Like people are desperate for any type of reprieve from the quote the mundane.

Yep. I've never done I don't like doing cold approach. I I I think that, like, sometimes when I go out, like, I am the biggest wallflower. I am like, literally sometimes like at bars and stuff like I feel like I'm literally just wallpaper like And that's I'm not that way in private. Like, if you let me in some if you let me in like the living room, like if I'm one on one, it's like I'm very good at that, right?

But I'm not like number one. I hate bars like bars are loud and club clubs are worse. I would rather you know, I'd rather cut off one of my toes than like, send me to a nightclub. But like it's there's not because I'm a big guy like it's really hard to be in a space and like with if it's loud and like I have to, like, lean over and scream and yell in their ear like, Hey, what's your name? Right?

Like that's not what I want to do. But the other thing with cold approach to is like this is you guys are gonna think I'm like doing a bit when I say this, but it's true. It's like you have people you have like all these like techniques and like, how do you like, talk to people and stuff? And like, what do you say? And what do you do?

It's like I never have had to, like, think or worry about that. Because if I want to talk to them, I just go about them like Hi. What's up? How are doing? And so like you you I've never understood like P U A like to me like P U A is like, It's like you you It's like you you lack self confidence.

So you think you need tricks and methods and things or you're just like unattractive or you're short. And so you think you need like you need to use like, slight of hand or ledger them into like, you know, deceive a woman or get her to like you and all this stuff. It's like I just go up and I say, Hey, what's up? Like what do you need your name and stuff? And if she's interested in me or like, I'll know within the first ten seconds, and sometimes I have to, you know, put in a little persist more persistence than that.

But It's either gonna you kinda know where you don't know right away, it feels like.

PUA, for those of you who don't know it, is pickup artist, and it's a series of techniques and almost a mindset designed to attract women. And it can be used ethically or non ethically. It can be used, you know, like anything as a tool. But what I do find interesting about it is it's entirely results driven. So these are guys who have effectively dedicated themselves to try to understand the unwritten rules of our brain.

And I do find it interesting what they have said about that. So I don't think it's it's something I would dismiss out of hand. Doesn't mean I would live by it. But I would absolutely read it and say, that's that's an interesting perspective.

I went deep down when I was like 18 or ever, I went deep down that rabbit hole my, in fact, this was a, I was, you know, terrible with girls. It was, it's weird because you come, I think I've told this before, but like you come, I feel like a lot of guys go on this sort of arc where like, I think of myself as having been terrible with girls in high school or I thought I was. But then I looked back and I was like, there are multiple girls who were, like, very into me. I was just too stupid to do anything about that or to understand that they were probably a better fit for me than, like, the one girl I had a crush on or whatever who turned out to be like a vapid psychopath or something, you know? So I have come with weirdly full circle of like, just be the guy I was in high school.

And like, the problem was already solved. But I thought I was really bad. I thought I couldn't get girls. I thought I was and I had this friend my senior year of high school who told me to read Neil Strauss' The Game, which I think is a lot of people's entree into that world. And it was like, oh my god.

There's this whole and that was like very it was the portal for me. And so I got like deep into that world and like I didn't like, I shouldn't say deep. I didn't I was never like an avid practitioner, but I read a lot of the books and I was like, I knew a lot about it. And yeah, like it's it is really pathetic from many different perspectives and really dark. But a lot of it is, the steel man of it, is that like it is trying to speak to guys who like me, who like had good intentions, but like didn't have the social skills.

And it's trying to give them all of this elaborate scaffolding for to try to be this very poor replacement for what it seems to be missing on the inside. Right. But if you just had the confidence on the inside or the, you know, the whatever, the internal stuff, you wouldn't need all that scaffolding. Wouldn't need like it actually is just as simple as like walk up and say, hi, I'm Cody. You know, like, they teach us, it's like this crazy frameworks of like, okay, you need an opener and like, you know, you need to like track the track the conversion rates.

So then you need to have KPIs. And then after the opener, you give a false time constraint, you tell her that you have to go do something else and this disarms her. And then you're looking for IOIs, indicators of interest, and there's a list of them. And then it's like, it's insane. And it's like, no, actually, you just have a conversation.

But like conversation can be really hard. But like the solution to that is just like, just have a lot of conversations and you just like, get better at it.

Right. It's like the reason you're socially awkward is because you're thinking too much. So I don't think the the way, like the the number one way to be better at talking to women and talking to everybody is to be less socially awkward. And the way to be less socially awkward is to stop being so self conscious and thinking about what you're doing so much. And so I don't really think that, like, a good solution to being better with women or with anyone and being less socially awkward is giving people, like, a whole new set of rules and things that they need to be thinking about during a conversation.

But your advice of just do it a lot, what you're effectively saying to them is generate your own rule set based on real world experience. And I don't think there's anything wrong with either accelerating that or at least thinking, okay. This is what other people have said. And like Cody, I absolutely liked girls in high school. I was such an idiot.

Looking back, there were girls that liked me that I was just oblivious to. And if someone had come to me and said, here's a bunch of indicators of interest. I remember one of my friends said, oh, yeah. I think she likes you. Did you not see how she was playing with her hair?

I'm like, why? What does that mean? Complete idiot. No one had sat me down, and it really hard for a semi Asperger's guy for someone to say, when this happens, it means that. How will they figure that out organically?

Maybe it'll take them a decade, which probably it did, But I felt like I was 25 before I actually started to understand the unwritten signals.

Yeah. I would would argue that I would argue, though, that, like, the reason it's so hard for so many guys these days is because of the all of the bullshit of like society. It's that you have to it's that there's in the past there were you needed to be sub rosa and subtle, but the rules were explicit. Right? So it was like you do this set of things and it's subtle and you and now the rules are it's just as Byzantine and complex and subtle, but the consequences for it, but it's totally implicit.

No one tells you And the consequences for getting it wrong are extreme. You can get me too, you can get if you're a kid, your life can be over if you are a man at any age. And so, like, if you simply removed any one of those things, like it would be problem solved. So it's like, in other words, like, what I would do if I had a kid, if I had a 15 year old son or something, I wouldn't say, like, I wouldn't try to teach him all of these rules. I would just say, it's totally okay for you just if you think a girl is cute, just, like, go up to her and be like, hi.

My name is Bob. My name is Kevin. My name is whatever is whatever my son's name would be. Hi, my name is Cody. And just like say, I like you.

And then just like try to have a conversation. And if she doesn't like you, then you just move on. And that's okay. And so it doesn't have to be this like subtle reading of clues. Like, just be explicit.

Just just, like, walk up and, like

What does West find so amusing?

I I This it's not actually funny. It's just it's funny to imagine Cody's, like, deciding what to name his son, and his options are Bob or Kevin.

I realized I don't know

why I went to, like, seven Very late. Worker names. Yeah. So he's my son's in the union.

That's always, like, my default.

Chad. Call call your son Chad.

Yeah. Chad. No. I'd go for something very I'd go go maybe go for something Greek Hector. Something Greek.

Anyway

Hector is Mexican. It's not Greek. Achilles, we could we could talk about Hector. We could talk about Nolan's latest masterpiece.

Dude, the funniest thing in the world is when you meet meet, like, a Hispanic family and the baby's name is Hector.

One of them. This is

a common I've had this has happened to me. It's like someone someone looked in 2025, looked at their newborn baby and said, I'm gonna name him Hector.

Yeah. Yeah. Hector is definitely an adult male's name, but it it just can't be like, I just can't imagine a baby called Hector. That's a good point.

One of the bits that pissed off my my first my ex fiance the most. I don't know why this is the thing that I did. So I did so many things that were that horrified her and made her upset. But the one is I would I had this recurring bit where I would try to sum up entire things as much as possible in, a single sound bite. And, like, obviously, one of them is, like, ethnicities.

But but I would do other ones too, like, the southern aristocracy is, uh-huh or whatever. Like or like George Bush. Like or like you just try that those aren't very good. Like

That is no. The George Bush one is good.

I I had a bunch of these. Yeah. I could do I I had a bunch of them. I could do it pretty good back when I was, like, honing this bit, you know. And for, like like, for Mexicans, it was, and that drove her insane.

She thought that was so and then we would go out in public and there would be, like, a Mexican and we'd talking to them and he'd be like, yes. And I'd be like, see? He's doing the thing.

By the way, that c was probably what irritated her more than anything else.

Yeah.

Because she I don't think she was arguing that you were wrong. I think she was arguing that I can't believe you're doing this in the first place.

Yeah. That's

very wanna know when when it finally ended, and she's like, Cody, I'm leaving. Did you go, No.

But, she did she did cite her inability to take me in public. It's one of the reasons. So

Yeah. One of the first times I met Cody in person because we had had, like, you know, we'd known each other over Zoom for, like, a year from doing keeper stuff together. And then we kinda did, a powwow where all, you know, all the all the head honchos got together. And, like, after three days, Cody's like, yeah. I used to be really unbearable.

I used to be really hard to spend time with. I was just doing shtick all the time. It's like, used to be a lot more like Wes than I am right now. And I'm like, oh, thanks, man. That's a really nice thing

to say.

It's like in front of a group of people.

I think we should do that. I think as a rule, I'll be like, yeah. I used to weigh a lot of weight. I used to weigh a lot. Like like Wes does now.

You know? We'll just kind of just talk

about our

own I'm down personal almost 10 pounds. I'm down almost

10 referencing any flaws of the other person. Like, I used to have I used to have a really questionable haircut. You know, like Cody's.

I used

to When when we publish a Handsome Hour book, we can call it Unbecoming Wes or something. Yeah. Graduating from Wes.

My god. I have two fun random topics that have been on X. One of them honestly, I don't even think there's that much to say about this is Christopher Nolan's latest movie where he just where he uses Elliot Page or whatever. It just Yeah.

That was beyond hilarious. Achilles?

Yeah. And then the other thing was, I think there's an article maybe out of The Guardian, and it was talking about the risk of young men using chatbots for companionship because it was gonna set unreasonable expectations by being agreeable and supportive. And it was like, wow. You've really just highlighted vast, you know, swaths of of problems in our society without even realizing that you're the problem for thinking that it's unreasonable for men to seek and expect that the person they're chatting with in a kind of companion sense might chat with someone who's agreeable and supportive.

You're Can we can we think of any other forms of Internet contact? Can we can we think of can we think of any other forms of Internet content that might be giving men unrealistic expectations about women?

This is another classic example.

I don't know, but my cable's out, and I need to call the repair person. Yeah.

Yeah. This is another classic example of, you know, world ends, women most affected. Do you guys know that meme?

Yeah.

Yeah. My other meme is, like, it's like 20% of the homeless are women.

Well, it's like the it's like the it's like the Norm MacDonald. Have you seen the Norm MacDonald tweet where he's like, it's like, my biggest fear is that ISIS might set off a nuclear bomb and kill a million Americans. I mean, can you imagine the backlash against peaceful Muslims? It's the well, no. Let's talk about the odyssey because I I I was I was I was I I'm gonna go see it.

There's like Shouldn't

we wait to talk about it until after we see it? I I feel like I have no basis.

I'm not I'm I am I am not giving that $1 of money.

Too racist to see the odyssey. No. I'll tell you what I read about it, and and now I think it might be pretty smart. I do wanna see it. I've got the book here.

I wanna see if the book's better than the movie. I'm one page into the book, and I'm I'm really not I'm really not impressed so far. But no. What I read. Okay.

So we have Elliot Page as Achilles of brave warrior. I saw a recent shirtless picture of Elliot Page and let's just say, yikes. And then the other one is like something. That's a black lady to play Ulysses wife or Odysseus' wife, right, who he's like, that's the one is that who it is? No.

No. No.

That was that was Helen of Troy. She's like, Helen. Beautiful woman.

Yeah. Okay. But what I read is that those two characters have, like, one speaking line in the entire movie, and they're on screen for, like, less than three minutes apiece. And so I think what Nolan did, and I think it might be really smart. I think he might have cast those roles because he knew it was going to get this reaction.

Generations have

almost no. I do think that's what I mean. I have to see the movie, of course, but what I'm reading because I have heard people say that the movie is awesome. So I think that he might have just like intelligently, like, sort of baited everyone into being pissed about those things and talk about his movie. And then now it's like it doesn't actually it's like completely in substantive to the And, also, you get, like, woke points because, like, now it's like, well, now it is more likely to win an Oscar, is it not?

So the the Oscars excluded movies that weren't sufficiently woke

Yeah.

Which we could go into that and how the people who, make those decisions, impact things, but we'll move on from that.

Yeah. Well well, Stoney, you should you should give out your own. You should start, like, an alternate to the Oscars. That's sort of like a sort of an anti Oscars. You know, it's like

stone stirs right?

Like, you know, during the Super Bowl and Bad Bunny played the halftime show, then there was like an alternative halftime show on Turning Point USA with Kid Rock and, Ted Nugent or whatever. You could do that with the Oscars, and you just give every award to Triumph of the Will.

Triumph of the Will wins again.

It's Yeah.

It's been it's been a hundred years dynasty.

Yeah. What a surprise.

I actually haven't seen that. What is Triumph of the Well?

You should watch it. You would love it. Just look it up. After the show, look

it up.

Lenny Reethenstall. It's very funny that you don't know what it is. Or what what would be another movie that Stoney would like? What's the white man's burden? Or what's what's the one I'm thinking of?

You don't think White

men can't jump?

No. Anyway, The Odyssey. No. I think Christopher Nolan has earned enough goodwill in my in my book that I'm willing to see this movie. I like Yeah.

I mean, I'm a completionist. Like, I've bought the lifetime ticket, the lifetime subscription. I have to see all of this stuff. I I'm a diehard Nolan fan. So I have to see it no matter what, even if it destroys the West.

Even excluding the criticisms about the casting, people were not speaking highly of it. They were not speaking highly of the costumes. They were not speaking highly of the plot. They weren't speaking highly that it opened with a rap scene.

That's weird. I I guess I I didn't know there was a musical number.

Yeah. So I don't know. Spoken word rap. But I've heard the

opposite as well. I'll hear people raving. I don't know. I'll I'll gonna see it and withhold judgment until then.

It seems hard me

to believe that it seems hard for me to believe that Nolan would would fuck up so badly.

Sony would take a bit of issue. Too little too much rhyming in my movie adaptation of a poem. The I'm pretty sure the original one did rhyme. I think. Right?

In in in Greek?

In Greek. Like, it

I believe the Greek one rhymes. Yes.

Right. Which is pretty cool.

That makes it easier to remember.

Yeah. I mean

because this would have been this would have been passed down verbally. True.

Is it like that? I thought Homer was just like, I thought he was just being creative.

No, I'm wrong. I'm wrong. It did not. The original Homeric poem does not rhyme.

So these would have been told kind of over the campfire as entertainment. And sure, I'm sure it was maybe written down some of the time. But by and large, yeah, I think you would have had more more verbal verbal history, oral history.

What about the musical Hamilton? That rhymes mostly, but I've heard it's not historically accurate.

I don't know how it is. Hamilton is the the biography is a good book. The biography is fascinating.

Does it rhyme?

It does not rhyme.

Is the I I guess I didn't realize the play. That's Cody used to always also tell me I look like Lin Manuel Rwanda, and I don't.

Yeah. You look like like like Lin Manuel Miranda if he got stung by, like, a 100 bees.

That's funny.

Oh, that's funny. That's really funny, guys. It's really funny.

Come on. That's funny.

Should should we so,

I mean, Cody bit his tongue for five days. And now that I'm now that he's a thousand miles away,

he thinks it's That's what happened. I'm not afraid.

Yeah. Yeah. I was he was in the arsenal of me.

He said

nothing but nice things. Ray El Gatra, what did get you with?

I kissed your ass before I'm about to in the days leading up to seeing you, and then I withhold all of my knocking at eat till after. Yeah, dude. Ryle got Ryle got me on the kick. Ryle was doing nothing but making fun of you the whole time, and it's it's Yeah. It's too fun.

Dude, Ryle, dude, I I have to show you. I have this statue in my apartment. Do you see the statue? I'm pointing to it right here. It's it's a tower of three pigs.

Ryle was in my apartment. I was taking a shower and he goes and he takes a picture of that.

Why was he in your apartment while you're taking a shower?

We're we're gonna go out together. We're we're hitting the town. And so, he sends it to the group chat. He goes. He goes West, bro.

If we put this on your head, we've got a four pig tower. And that was the dude he could have retired after after that one. Nobody has ever gotten me that good in my entire life. Like, just the just the irreverence of it, just like to see any object and be like, how can I make this about fucking West being fat? Well, we we do support you as a genius.

Well, as a genius when it comes to calling you fat.

Well, and no matter how fat you think I am. Look. Well, first of all, I'm not fat. I'm powerful. I bench more than both of you by a lot.

Okay. And also I

like what you guys

lot of what you said, it's well, for reps, it's $2.25. I I do like 2¢

a five. I'm right there behind you.

There's a big difference. There's difference. There's a big difference. There's a

huge That's 15 pounds.

First of all, I have much longer arms than you do.

Oh, wait. That's not true. That's not true. I think I think proportionate to our bodies, my arms are longer.

Well, no one said proportionate.

Well, I'm I'm gonna say Dramatic. I'm gonna say the real the real question is push ups because bigger people will always be able to do No.

I'm moving the goalpost, also, can do more push ups.

You're moving How many pushups can you do?

How many pushups can you do in a row?

Do push I don't train pushups. First of no. But we did pushups at the fucking cabin. We did pushups at Martha's Vineyard. And I got I was I was doing the cadence.

I was We

all did 25. Exactly.

No. We we stopped at twenty five because you guys were like, how many are we doing? Oh, you started crying. I could have gone to a 100. Okay?

And we I stopped because you guys were being babies about it. Like, we didn't establish it. Also, you were mad at the way I was counting. No. You're big fan The I have I'm very strong, and I'm not even that fat.

Okay? The camera adds 10 pounds. If you're watching this live right now, the camera adds 10 And and and oftentimes, it is inflammation. Oftentimes it is because I've had too much soaking.

And you often had to have just been stung by bees. There is a to be fair,

there is a beehive right outside park. Dude, you know how committed I am to the grind is that there's a beehive right there. Okay? But I have noise there so you

can't hear the bees. Right? Every morning. You're all

Dude, I am too busy working. I am too busy working to worry about a beehive right now. I am too hard on my grind. I'm starting a handsome hour merch store. I'm starting a keeper merch store.

I'm matchmaking people

feel like What's our plans with that?

So I actually went to an embroiderer today, and I made one. I'm I'm I'm making a birthday present for the girl I'm seeing. So I had to go to Brandy Melville. First I went to Brandy Melville, and there was like thirty minute line to get into Brandy Melville. And the other thing I like about Brandy Melville is all everything is the same size.

But anyway, Brandy Melville is a store for girls. And it's only for girls. But no, I went to the embroidery. So the hats I have the hats designed. They look like the MAGA hats almost, but they just say I am not gay.

And so that's the first because it's oh, no.

Wait. That's for us?

No. We're we are not we are not going to well wear them, but we are going to sell them. Because the implication because that's how you sell. That's called sales. That's sales one zero one.

The way that we imply if you because if you don't wear that hat, I'm going to assume you're gay. Oh, are you gay or you not gay? Wear the fucking hat. If you're not gay, why is your hat not say that you're not gay?

No. I'm so honored that I got my sales one zero one lesson today.

You can't get canceled for having a hat. Dude, dude, you're either gay or you're not gay. You have two hats, one that says

sounded the long house mobilizing tanks in the streets just for us.

Why would it's not no. That's not even I think that even if you're like I think that even doing a bit, like, that's not

We should sell you know what should do? We should also sell gay. We should sell value.

That's what

I was saying. Yeah. We're just saying I am gay and I am not gay hats. You know,

we're not

we're not taking a stand here.

Right.

Yeah. Yeah. And I think that the I am not gay hat should be, like, three times as expensive. Like, I because I think that there is, like they're gonna be well made hats, though. They're gonna be, like, made in America.

Is hilarious. That is absolutely hilarious that we sell identical hats, but the I am not gay cost three times as much for no reason other.

You know what that thing is?

Well, supply and demand. It's supply and demand. I think that, like, the thing is, though that, like, I think you have a lot more people who wanna prove that they're not gay than you do people who wanna prove that they are gay. So, like, if like, I would much rather, like, if you're gonna make an assumption about me based only on the hat that I'm wearing, I would pay extra for the

one that's And then we do a third one that's that's even cheaper than both. That's just I might be gay or I might not be gay. Undeterminate. No signaling value whatsoever.

That's a dude. That that actually is funny we should do. I might be gay, but I also might not be. That's up for you to decide. Just it'll be like an entire paragraph of the text on the head.

Be like, actually, you know, sexuality is pretty complicated.

Smaller and smaller each line until it eventually just goes into It's like an eye test.

It's like an eye test.

You know, as as bad of an idea is this is, I I support the two hat different price things. I think that might make the papers.

That's funny. We can do the same thing for I am fat and I am not fat.

You don't need a hat for that. There was, I was thinking about this. I I I saw a woman on the street wearing a shirt that said educated black queen. Uh-huh. And it was like, if you it like, I don't understand that shirt.

Because I can tell that you're black. Right? Like it like, it's again, like, that shirt makes less sense than the hats that I'm talking about selling. It's like if I was wearing a shirt that said, I am a white person. Right?

It's like, why would the why would you wear a shirt that says that? It doesn't I know.

Right. Right. And the but that right. The point the point, of course, being that actually the shirt is racist for feeling like it needs to specify that, like, there's something special about being black and educated.

Right. Yes. I I think that as well. Yes.

Yeah.

And from what I could tell, she's not a queen. I didn't see any Right.

No PR.

Not many queens in the world. Like, they the African countries have queens. I think they mostly don't have monarchies.

I I watched They have military dictators.

I did watch a documentary on on on African culture. It was called Coming to America.

Yeah. Oh, that's Eddie Murphy.

Oh, yeah. Yeah. That one. Maybe it wasn't a documentary now that you mentioned it.

No. The only black queen is is Helen of Troy.

That's right. I thought you were gonna say Queen Latifah.

That's another option. They should have gotten her to play a Helen of Troy. Man, going live is the best thing we ever did for the show. This has been a very high energy episode.

I'm sure there's fifteen minutes of content in there. A salvageable content that isn't as strong that.

Dude, we have 30 viewers. That's kind of a lot.

Do you really? Yeah. Alright. Let's go.

Shout out to all the viewers. None of you have retweeted this yet. Sure. You're one of the Handsome Hour Hombres in the viewer pool right now.

If you're one of our viewers, use discount code WesIsFat to get a 10% discount on an I'm not fat hat?

No. I know. I think what we do is 10% discount is Wes is not fat. 50% discount is Wes is fat.

That's right.

I'm gonna sell Wes is not fat shirts, and there will be no alternative. And you get one free with every order. So

It only comes in XXL.

Very funny.

I do wanna sell the I beat anorexia T shirt. I don't know if you guys have ever seen that.

I've seen that.

It's a meme. It's just this absolutely obese guy is wearing a T shirt that says I beat anorexia.

Yeah.

Maybe we could get that for Wes.

That's pretty good. Yeah. That's pretty good.

It's really it's really funny, guys. Really funny stuff. Okay.

Let's talk So about

so hold on a second. We we are we are looking at People are watching this.

It's actually going up pretty fast right now. It's going What

were you saying, Cody, that the only jobs left after the singularity will be Chinese peptide website? What were you joking about that?

Oh, this is like a known meme on on Twitter. Yeah. It's like after the singularity, the only jobs will be like Chinese peptide dealer, hot girl, podcast host, and, what's, like, the other one? Like, you know, degenerate gambler. Yeah.

Dude, I think I think

I honestly do think, like, degenerate gamblers are gonna get arbitraged out of business too. Like, I think that, like, perfect like, because the because you'll have because with AI, I think that, like, basically high frequency trading will be accessible to just about anyone. And obviously, like like in in financial markets, the high frequency traders will have an infrastructural advantage because they'll be able to use shortwave radio and data links and fiber optic cables and things to, like, beat you from the, know, the mercantile exchange from the to the New York Stock Exchange and stuff like that. But like, I was talking to a guy who has a betting model for pro sports. And he's able to place bets.

Whenever L Vegas line moves rapidly in one minute, without announcement of an injury or something similar online, So like if so, because, like the people in Vegas get news first, right? So when the line moves, you can place your bet becaus then once news of the injury comes out, that's when retail is going to chase, is going to chase alpha on the game. And then when, when more bets are being placed one side versus the other, Vegas sees that and then they changed the odds to try to even it back out. So what's going to happen is like if you have, you know hundreds of guys using that same algorithm that that guy is using then, like, the line changes before the news breaks. And now, like, the retail quote unquote better is, like, gonna be late to the party.

So they've

That's already

pushed out.

That's already what happens with the market, every market. I mean and it's gotten to an extreme point with, like, high frequency trading and stuff. But that that's why it's that's why it's degenerate gambler and not, you know, careful trader with a consistent edge. All the edges will be arbitraged away, and only the most extreme frontier models who are specifically trained on this will be able to find alpha or the citadels of the world or whatever. And the the retail traders will just be yellowing their life savings to try to

Dude, that's why I'm not worried about, like, the Trump administration doing insider trading. That's why I'm not worried about that at all. It's because, like, arbitrage opportunity. Like, what are you what are you supposed to not do insider trading? Honestly I would like

to promote you to the yeah. Would that be the FTC?

Dude, I didn't grow up in a world where you say no to free money. I didn't. I you don't do it. Right? Like, I I I I understand that there's, like, you know, social obligations and things, but, like, what's what's a what's a billion dollars here and there?

Like, if I So you're saying it's okay if the president steals money from the American people?

If I like the president, yes. If the president's if the president is someone that I like and that they're doing things that I like and I feel like they are on my team and I feel like, you know, that's why I wanna have money is the people that I like is my team.

It did not work.

Call me call this call me crazy, but I wanna have the money. I don't want I don't want my nebulous team who people who successfully identify with me or whatever.

Yeah. But they're not taking money out of my pocket. I mean, in some, like, you know, broad sense they are, but, like,

as Well, fact they're they're taking money out of your pocket very indirectly, but much less so than the Fed. When the Fed's printing an extra trillion dollars, they are explicitly taking money out of your pocket.

Yeah. Well, and it's like, you know, I've seen The US Government spend money on things that you know, like, I was I was in the army, to be fair. Like, I I've seen the way we spend money on things, and it's just like,

don't I'd still rather have dumb spending compared to explicitly fraudulent spending. Yeah. Dumb spending, you can at least I don't know if you can excuse it, but it's it's understandable. No one's gonna get it right all the time. But purposeful fraudulent spending.

Some people have been saying that the growth in health care expense, and even the the GDP growth is often down to fraud. Like, if we take away fraud, maybe health care expenses aren't that bad. But if you're including fake autism centers and fake this and fake that, a lot of that growth could just be pure.

Well, both first of all, both neither of you have the right to complain about fake autism centers because you both suffer from fake autism.

But we don't charge anyone for our fake autism.

I'm the only one on this podcast. As of, you know, officially now, as of about twenty five minutes ago, I'm the only person on this podcast who doesn't claim to have autism.

Well, we all have our disabilities, Wes, and Cody and I know what ours are.

I'm just regular retarded.

Ours are on the inside.

Yeah.

Ours are hidden. This is, I think, been my favorite episode. I can't speak for you guys.

Yeah. We gotta do it live from now on. We gotta do more live episodes.

We'll do it live from now on.

Yeah. It keeps us it it keeps us from getting, like, this we are doing better at it just because we're live. Like, it it keeps us from falling into ruts or, like, overexplaining or stuff. Like, it keeps the it keeps the, it keeps the popcorn bouncing back and forth between us. You know what I mean?

Yep. Take your popcorn in your pan, or do you ever I I don't microwave my popcorn. I make it the pan old school.

Eating popcorn because of people making me jokes about me. Dude,

all I

eat now is oatmeal and chicken breast. That's all I eat.

Why oatmeal? Oatmeal is not a good

Yeah. It is. It's got a lot of protein.

Oatmeal?

Yes. Squats and oats. That's the old meme from 4chan Fit. Squats and oats.