Episode 15 - Gossip Hour

Welcome back to The Handsome Hour. In this episode, Wes reads an amazing tweet that he wrote about America. It's incredible. I can't you you just wait till you hear it. It's gonna be fantastic.

We also talk about Twitter fight that Wes and Diane Yap got into, and we talk about neurodivergence, representation, and, some other good stuff.

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And if we get to a 100 subscribers on YouTube, I will try to fit this entire microphone in my mouth live on the show.

Wes will do it.

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What's up? It's The Handsome Hour. We're doing it again. We're back in the cut. I'm I'm hungover today.

I was I was out in the summer.

You got partying with Ryle last night?

No. I was out partying. I got back

Oh, that's right. You guys were you guys went up to what's that? Uncharted? Is that the event?

Uncharted. Yeah. Shaq was not there. I was I heard that Shaq was going to be there. I heard that Rob Gronkowski was going to be there.

Neither was there. Met some cool people, though. Had a good time.

Did you guys network? It would did did you, like,

just I net I networked my dick off. Yeah. Okay. Good. I networked so hard, dude.

Yeah. Cool. Yeah. So

Exchange LinkedIn with some people.

I I'm so LinkedIn. Some of y'all are locked in. I'm LinkedIn. So that's that's how I'm feeling. I've been starting fights with people on Twitter.

I think the fights came to you. I think you you you revealed what your beliefs, and then people decide to pick a fight with you.

Here's the thing. Like, I I will there I think right now, there's two people on Twitter who both happen to be women who have problems with me. One of them is Jessica Pin, who we call Jessica Pill. And we call her Jessica Pill because if she's posting, that means she's either taking too many pills or not enough pills, but sometimes you can't tell which one it is. Sick part.

Yeah. And that's we'll we'll you gotta you gotta call her something. I would call her that if she dude. Okay. There's a reason that and the other one's Diane Yap, and I'm not gonna I don't wanna say anything mean about Diane Yap because I I've heard people say kind things about her, people that I know and, you know, take seriously have said good things about her.

And I've never met her personally, so I don't wanna be mean on Diane Yap. But these two women in particular, like, I think it's okay to, you know, kind of fight with them because here here's the thing. I know that no matter what I say, they will not be able to say one good thing about me or what I write. I I don't I like, that's sort of my rule is, like, I will generally give people the benefit of the doubt and be nice to them. But, like, if you are someone who I know, there's nothing I can say, and you will you will not be able to say one nice thing about me.

Like a while back, Jessica Pill, I wrote her, she because she's always she's always calling me a misogynist. Like, here's what she does. She like she downloaded the show, and she, like when she was reading the transcripts of the show, she's like, I skimmed the transcript of the show, and I decided you're bit misogynist. And she's mad. She said we are slut shaming on the show.

And she got there by reading things that Cody said and describing them to me and getting mad at me. So, you know, I'm not you're not serious. You know? If if you wanna attack me or you wanna say I said x

rays Is this something I know about? Did we talk about this? Somebody attacked you for things I said?

No. That's what Jessica Pill does. She's always like

I didn't see that.

She's yeah. She it's not it's not even anything you said. It's like her hallucination about what you said, which she thinks is me. Right? She thinks that she she's the I'm telling you.

She's off of the meds. She thinks that you were me, and she's mad at the things that you said. And she's also mad at the exact inverse of the things she said.

A reminder There's nothing in life that makes me happier than when people are mad about what I said. That's the that's as good as life gets. That's my 10. I

I will be Christ like. I will I will I'm okay to to take, online vitriol for Cody's sins.

Thanks, pal. Cody. And actually actually, that's not true. 10 is when people are mad at me for what I said. 11 is when they're mad at West for what I said.

That's

We'd all we'd all like to encourage that.

That's the transcendent experience that I think all the mystics of history were talking about.

But I think we should give her credit for engagement because if she just came along and said, that makes sense, we wouldn't be talking about her. Not only is she angry, she's angry and misattributing. Great. She's got us talking about her.

So so what I saw the Diane Yap situation. We'll talk about that. But what did I say that pissed off Jessica Pill?

It was a summary, so it's not even clear.

So what what Jessica did was she was mad at me. For context, Jessica Pill has messaged me over the past two years, probably 700 times in the DMs. Like and I've I've, like, you know, had nice conversation with her just like regular, like, boring conversations. Like, you know, she's telling me about all the guys she's, you know, not having sex with. And, I'm, you know, kinda nice back to her.

So, there was a there's an episode where we talk about hoe phases. Right? And I think that we sort of all generally agree that like some of that is okay. And like we generally forgive women for having body counts or whatever it is, and I think that that's sort of where we stood on the discourse. And somehow Jessica Pan pill, Jessica pill, whatever you want to call her took that and decided that, we shame women for doing the same things we congratulate men for.

It's almost impossible to sit here and try to explain what she's saying what she thinks because it's completely incoherent. It's like she has just decided that we're misogynists, specifically that Cody is a misogynist, but then also thinks that I am Cody. And it has to do with her downloading a transcript of that episode. Stoney

Tell her my feelings are hurt. I wanna be included in this.

Yeah. You gotta you gotta get more active online. The thing with Diane Yap, who I have a funny nickname for Diane Yap, but I'm not gonna use it. The I she deleted the original tweet now, so, I can't tell you what she was upset about. Like, she had this her her whole thing is basically, despite being someone who herself is in a relationship, Diane says that the only reason that men are ever in relationships with women is that, is for sex.

She says that sex is the sole and only reason that men care about women or want to be in relationships with women. She says that is the only reason. And, in a a truly I I think in in really, like, just a Olympic display of logic, she gets to this point by saying that if, most men would break up with their girlfriends, if they stopped having sex with them. Ipso facto, sex is the sole and only purpose of the relationship.

Most men would break up with their girlfriends if they never talk to them again. Now they might like it for a day or two, but, you know, I think if if we had a girlfriend that said, I will never communicate another word to you, we would be like, well, I guess that relationship's over. And I don't think anyone says they're with their girlfriend to talk to them.

Yep. And, Stoney, if I may channel, Jessica I mean, whatever. If I may channel Diane Yap here

Cody is working through that statement.

Hey. There's a little delayed fuse on that one. Keep going.

Yeah. Well, if if I may channel Diane Yap here, Stoney, she would say that you were getting emotional and you were arguing like a leftist. I

am overwhelmed with emotion, as you can tell at this moment. Just it's it's just crushing me.

Yeah. Look. I have a lot

of sympathy for like, I'm actually inclined, constitutionally to like Diane Yip. I've never met her, but just, you know, I'm sympathetic towards a spicy person who who who likes to start fights online. So, like, Yeah. Right right away, I'm positively inclined. I do have to say, like, obviously, obviously, there like, there's a thing.

It it is called a necessary but not sufficient condition. That's what sex is for, I think, most people generally in a relationship, not just guys. Like, it's pretty simple.

Otherwise, you're just a roommate. You know? Like, that's that's the idea. And we're also without sex, you can't have children. So, therefore, there's no family.

And relationships are often considered, you know, to get fuzzier in modern age, but they're the precursor of the family.

Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it's like if look. If Cody came to my apartment and he took a shit at the upper tank of my toilet, I would stop being friends with Cody. But that doesn't mean that the only reason I'm friends with Cody is that he doesn't take a shit in the upper tank of my toilet.

You'd let him get away with it. I was gonna say, I think I He'd get one he'd get one Yeah.

Pulled him up. Gets one.

At least once. The second time is you're like, alright. That's going too far, dude.

Fool me once. Shame on me.

Yeah. Yeah. I mean, does it bear explaining why that logic is so stupid? Because sort of what I'm doing because what she it's so funny. I wish she didn't delete the original tweet.

I still have about a thousand tweets on my my, my mentions here that I could go through, but I'm not going to. Where, I I always feel like I'm in this ridiculous situation where, like, someone makes, like, the someone who, like, by other indications is probably an intelligent person. Like, I don't think that, like, Diane Yap has a low IQ or something.

But No. She's, like, really clearly very, very smart.

Right. But it's, like, such as, like, a clear like like, coming coming into my world and saying, just, like, asserting something and then forcing me to prove it wrong. It's like and then and then I do prove it wrong, and I'm like, Okay, well, here's how everything works. But like, and this is the part that sort of like I there were a couple of times where I'm like telling her that, like, I'm sorry that she's like hurt or like is wounded because to me, that's clearly what's happening. It's like when you see first of all, if there was Twitter on 09:11, Diane Yap, as soon as the second plane hit the towers would be tweeting like, this just goes to show that men don't respect women.

Right? Like, that's that's what would that that's what it would have looked like. Okay? But, like, she's so like, the the her ability to just turn off the logical center of her brain when this, like, specific issue is brought up tells me, like, when you see a smart person doing that, it means that there's some sort of, like, trauma around that that you just, like, your brain literally will not let you think it through rationally because the conclusion's painful for you or something. Who knows?

So what I sometimes I feel mean, like, when I because if you read that, it sounds like I'm being catty. And I'm like, who hurt you? Like, I'm not really really trying like, not trying to do that. I'm really trying to be, like, clear I know that you're not so so stupid that you think that what you're giving me here is, like, a clear delineation of logic.

She's also just, like, incentivized to do it. Like, there is a thing you know, the the dating discourse incentivizes just, you know, just dumb inflammatory takes. Which is also why I'm doing

it with her, which is the entire reason I'm, like, going back and forth with her is because, like, I'm gaining followers off of this. Like, people are like, yeah, Wes. They're like, who's who's this sexy handsome guy who's, you know, talking on drooling Diane Yap? And it's like, I feel bad. You know?

Yeah. Drooling Diane, was that your attempt to Trump kill shot her?

That's my we have Jessica Pill and drooling Diane yet, but I'm not gonna call her drooling Diane because I don't think it's I just think it's funny, but I do think it's mean. And if she says one nice thing about me, I'll never call her that again. But she needs to say one nice thing about me. Just like Jessica Pill. If Jessica Pill said one nice thing about me, I wouldn't call her Jessica Pill anymore.

And she did have a tweet from a long time ago because I wanted to do I didn't want to attack her. So I I messaged her. I'm like, if you tweet and say that I am sexy, and I will not, like, attack you. And she did it. Like, there was there was a post from Jess

Wait. Really?

She might not think you're sexy.

Well, she deleted it. No. She she took us she she took my my profile picture, and she's like, Wes Myers is very handsome and sexy. And he he was like a a matchmaker, and he can't find a wifey on his own app. Like, what is he doing wrong?

And I'm like, okay. Thank you, Jessica. You've proven that you will say one nice thing about me, which means that I I have reigned to, like, not just attack you no matter what.

Alright. Let's not make this, let's not make this the Gossip power. Let's Okay. That's fine. I might

have have the Gossip power. Okay.

That's fine. And then Jethica was like, you're mean. And I was like, nuh-uh.

Okay. That's not what I'm doing here.

Alright. So the content and I do have some screenshots. The content was Wes was talking about the structure and the actions men will take to build institutions that will protect women. And I think that was that was the prior tweet or or even the tweet with Diane.

Oh, that was the tweet I got dumped over again. Remember, there's so this is I know we don't want this to be the gossip hour. There's I think I like this this the penultimate episode before the Joshua Lysik episode. Like, I get dumped right before the show. And then that girl, like, eventually, like, two weeks later, like, hit me up and, like, wanted to talk and be, like, started spending time together again.

And then she found that tweet that I wrote about her, and then she dumped me again. And now we're talking about on the podcast that now, you know, no no woman will ever love me because of this.

Here you go. Yes. Wrote go. Go to war to fight and die to protect the women they love. Women online, you only value me as a wet hole.

And then Diane wrote, why did these goofy ass men always wanna take credit for something other men may have done, but they definitely never did? And Wes quietly replies, I spent eleven months in Iraq, which is a little bit hard for her to come back from.

It's I mean, that's sort of the trump card there. But, no, that wasn't even the original tweet she was upset about. But no. It's like, how do you like, what why do men do anything? Does this even need explaining?

Why did men create civilization? Like, why does anything exist? Why do men do anything? It's well, it's because they wanna have sex with women. Right?

But not only do they wanna have sex with women.

Say it's half. It's it's half to have sex, and then once they have sex and they have a family, it's half to provide for their family. It's a pretty reasonable logical progression.

Right.

And it got us pretty far.

I know the answer to this.

Oh, at least she's she's making the same move. She's accusing you of making the same move that she was. It's about generalizing about all men. Like No.

I'll tell you the tweet she was mad about. I remember this now. The tweet she was mad about, and a lot of people are mad about. This is probably the most vitriol I've ever gotten online is is is for, this tweet. What I said is that, and this is also just like a gender discourse tweet.

This is not this is the pretty basic, like, psychology, Episode Gossip, I think. Women don't understand how long a man can go without anyone being kind to him for no reason. Men receive kindness in exchange for being useful. Women receive kindness freely from the moment they're born. A man could be surrounded by people who depend on him and still have nobody who would take care of him if he stopped being useful.

We don't even think of that as being strange. I got probably a thousand quote tweets on this of women saying, actually, you're wrong because someone was mean to me one time. So so if that if that kinda goes to show I think that proves the point a little bit.

The that's the that's the classic, you know, the most most men are taller than most women. Actually, I know a tall woman.

Yeah. I mean, that's what it is.

I've had that personal experience. I've gone through, as as we all have, I've gone through particularly tough moments in my life. And this very kind woman I know in England kind of heard about some of this, and she just kind of almost was in tears. She goes, that must be so tough. And I was like, yeah, it is.

I haven't actually had a chance to think about it like that because I don't no one's gonna feel sorry for me. And I don't feel like I have the opportunity or the time or the the the not the bandwidth, but the the the liberty to feel sorry for myself. I just have to get on with it. And the idea that someone was openly emoting about my difficulties was was shocking. And I was like, wow.

And years will go by before that happens a second time.

Oh, yeah. This is unequivocally true. And, like, I think, you know, yeah, like, the the the counterpoint, I think, you know, women who are making here and often make this type of thing is and I think that what Diane was saying is, like, oh, but, you know, women are only valued for their sexuality or whatever, or that's the only reason that they're cared for. And as if, you know, that sort of sort of nullifies it. But, yeah, it's like, you know, those are those are kind of the cilla and tribdis.

It's like, well, either no one gives you any attention or compassion or love basically ever for any reason except when you provide value and it's sort of this transactional exchange. Or they do show you those things, but it's also transactional in a certain way because they just want sex. It's like like, the point being I think is that, like, you're not necessarily trying to say that, like, women have it amazing. You're just pointing out that, like, they do get way more attention than men. Why how

come when this the ship how come when the sink is the ship is sinking, how come the the women and the children are the first one that gets on on the life life Right? I mean, this is just like, basically, this is how societies evolve. This is how humanity thrived is because and and by the way, what I I'm I'm not making, like, a normative statement with that tweet. I mean, I kind of am, actually. I'm describing something that is true, and I am also saying that it is true for a good reason, and we are here for that reason, which is that if you have a tribe and half the women die, that tribe is going to take.

It's going to take generations for that tribe to recover. If you have a tribe and 90% of the men die, that they can be back and home in no time. Right? Because that's just this the economy of sperm. Right?

Like, this isn't this isn't crazy new stuff. Why do men die in wars? Right? I'm not, like, bringing this up to be, like, flex my time as a fucking missile defense officer in Iraq when I sat in an air conditioned van. You know?

But it's like, well, you know, there's a reason that the men go to die in, you know, World War two, and it's like, you know, maybe the proximate cause isn't immediately to protect the women. But if you strip away all the layers, like, that's sort of what it reduces to because if not for the women, the men aren't going to war. Right? There there's no point. Right?

Like, it's not like men just enjoy I mean, I guess men do just enjoy conquering and controlling territory, but, like, that all does come back to, like, wanting to protect and and have women. And sure, yeah, if you remove sex from life, the motivation is a lot less strong to do that. But if you remove sex from life, then the entire world looks entirely different, and you just, like, remove, like, the basis of all reward systems and human motivation systems for men and women.

It's interesting how there's this impulse, to get mad anytime anybody suggests we might have empathy for men. Like, that alone is just this trigger. Right.

When I've talked to a few friends about this, what is interesting is not just that they're they are capable of agreeing, but they immediately jump to anger. They will say, you may have a couple points where men have it tough, but women have it tough more. And regardless if that's true or not, what was fascinating is just how how quickly they spring to anger at the idea that men have any claim. Even if they were to claim our lives have 25% as many problems as you, that then it's like, well, then you don't get to talk.

Yeah. And look. On Twitter, I am making observations. Like, the the it is so funny too because, you know, my my the responses to these tweets fell into two categories. The first category is, like I said before, someone saying, oh, well, I'm a woman and someone was mean to me once, so you're wrong.

The other category is, okay, then, men, why don't you just be kind to each other? And it's like, Oh, that's what this tweet is. The tweet is me being kind to other men by like recognizing, you know, things that are common to men, and you were trying to dunk on it by saying that I need to be kind to men, which is what I'm doing. And, also, like, what I'm doing is making an observation saying, you know, here's a pattern that's gotten society to where it is today and one of the reasons we're reaching into the stars is so successful. And if your answer to that is, you should do something different right now.

You should be kind to other men. The the answer it's like saying that, like, men need to not rape. Right? Oh, okay. We solved the problem.

What what if just no one ever did anything bad? Oh.

Can't we just all

Yeah. Oh, if your answer to something like you you've just identified yourself as, a dumb person. You're a low IQ person. If you see someone make an observation about the world and being like, oh, yeah, men? Well, why don't you just be different?

It's like, well, you know, we've been this way for a million years in every society and every race. So

First of all, yeah, there are a lot of historical taboos around, like, how men are supposed to relate to one another, and sort of, like, the code of masculinity and stuff. And those are there for a good reason. It's not like they're enforced arbitrarily. I mean, to be clear, I'm not saying when I say good reason, don't necessarily mean it's morally good. I just mean, like, men will be seen by women as not masculine and not attractive if they don't behave according to those norms.

So those norms are largely enforced and upheld by women, and they're certainly enforced in dating contexts. So, you know, men are shown from a young age, that if they show any weakness to women, they'll lose all their dating prospects and women will see them as unattractive and self. And so they learn to put up that shield of hardness from a young age in that context and then that just generalizes. Like, there are all sorts of reasons that those codes exist, whatever whatever, we can explore them. The point is that, like, there are powerful social forces constraining that.

In addition to, like, social forces constraining men sort of treating each other in certain ways, also just gathering it all. Like, anytime you know, every group is sort of allowed to have their club. Like, as soon as a bunch of men wanna hang out, it's like they're alt right extremists, you know, and it's it's that that too has taboos around it. So, like, you know, modern society has, like, painted men into a very difficult corner.

Well, friendships among men are like the I do think that there is, like, a, you know, the the superstructure that is the the regime, that is the, the, you know, the unconscious forces that control society that live a little bit in all of us, are just naturally inclined against male friendship, because it's an immune system thing. Right? Like, well, how did Al Qaeda get started? Because guys were friends. It's like guys hanging out, start Al Qaeda.

Right? Guys hanging out, start the American revolution. Right? Like

And bro is chilling, you know, at the constitutional convention.

But it's true, though. Like, every friendship is, like, by its nature, like, a it's like the the way a friendship starts is when you and another guy look at each other, and you're like, you too, and you there's, like, something inside of you becomes common knowledge between both of you. And it's like, oh, there's something that I thought was just about me, and I realize now it's about both of us. Right? And when you, like, identify a group of people based on that kind of thing, like, you are inherently it is inherently like an act of rebellion because when you because if if it wasn't, then the thing that you're recognizing in them would be something obvious that you're recognizing everyone else.

But the reason you become friends is because you share something that makes you different from everyone else, which is a threat to the everyone else part of it.

Yeah. 100%. I mean, I I don't think, you know, atomization is is totally a an accident. You know? All of these sort of yeah.

These rules is certainly benefiting somebody to have Mendy alienated and isolated and disfranchised and unable to sort of, yeah, form those manner buns.

I wonder if it's different for white collar versus blue collar men because blue collar men are actually building something. They are in the world physically building something with their hands, and they can physically come together as a group and try to accomplish something, even lifting a heavy object together. In the office, it's at least one, if not two steps removed, and work from home is guaranteed two to three steps removed from that camaraderie ship. So I also wonder how much that affects the kind of city tech worker, city office worker.

One of my favorite any in any office job I've ever had, which is not that many of them, one of my favorite moments that happens is when everyone in the office has to come together to do, like, some sort of necessary physical task. Like, maybe it's like setting up your new monitors. Like, maybe everyone gets new desks or new monitors, and you have to spend the morning, like, all, like, kind of, like, helping each other do this collaborative physical thing. Because it's, like, the first time you actually do that, you're, like usually, you're working on cerebral work together. It's all very abstract.

But then you come together, and it's, like, you're sweating and you're grunting and you, like it it it brings you back to this perspective that, like, oh, okay. Well, we are sort of just all a bunch of apes, like, you know, trying to carry a stone up a hill at the end of the day.

I've said that ski trips are the closest we've come to caveman society. You know, it's a very small group of people. You're living in incredibly close quarters because you probably can't afford nice hotel rooms here, you know, stacked all in, you know, the same room. And you exercise all day, you come home, you cook a communal dinner, you eat it together, you kind of swap stories about the day, you go to sleep, and you do it again. And we look back on this as some of the best, you know, weeks of our lives.

And then we go back to our disjointed, you know, office work ourselves.

Yeah. Well, you know, one of the coolest trips I've ever heard of someone doing was was, like, a couple years ago, I remember Cody saying that he had this trip planned for him and his friends where they were gonna literally go ride horseback across the Mongolian steppe. And, like, literally, that was the trip. That's not like a euphemism. That is what they were going to do.

It's going to Mongolia and ride horses around

We've been wanting to do that for years. Every year we've been, like, for, like, three or four years now. Every year, we try to plan it, and there's always something that gets like, this year, were gonna do it, and then we found out that we had a horse guy secured in Kyrgyzstan and everything Kyrgyzstan and everything. And then it turns out this year, Kyrgyzstan is hosting the World Nomad Games, which I didn't even know that was a thing. Like, what do you even do?

Like, that's the funniest thing I've ever heard.

So we didn't wanna have to go, you know, when everybody is crowding there to watch how fast you can build a yurt or whatever that entails.

That was that's what a funny reason. I think with the current gender discourse I was thinking about this yesterday, and I think it goes back to the thesis of the show, which is like, you need to be less pessimistic. Everybody just needs to have a lot more faith in the resiliency of humanity. What's gonna happen is, like, you know, we had woke. Right?

First first first, we had, you know, MAGA. We had Donald Trump, and they had a lot of bad ideas, but they had a lot of really good ideas in my opinion. And in a hundred years, we will have kept the good ideas and forgotten about the bad ideas. And then we had woke and I thought woke had a lot of bad ideas, but that I you know, there's probably a couple good things that will have come from woke. In one hundred years, we'll look back on woke and it will be remembered.

It will it's the same thing with the civil rights movement. Right? Like, they did a lot of dumb, destructive shit. Nelson Nelson Mandela blew up buses full of schoolchildren. Right?

But he's remembered favorably. Why? Because, like, one good thing came out of what he did. Right? And that's just what's going to be of everything for all types.

Like, current gender discourse, we're gonna figure it out. Right? Like, we're humanity's not gonna go extinct. Right? Something good will come of this, and a lot of bad pain will happen in the short term.

But then in a hundred years, we'll look back, and we'll only remember the good thing that came from this.

I agree with you, but for think maybe for a slightly different reason. I actually tweeted, yesterday, and I said, statistics simply do not apply to me. And I feel like more people need to adopt this mindset. It's a really freeing mindset, which is like, you know, you hear this type of thing all the time. You know, people will say like, well, you know, most marriages end in divorce, therefore, shouldn't get married.

And it's like, why do you immediately assume you're gonna be in the majority? That feels like a like a bad mindset. You just assume that you're you're average and you're gonna marry marry an average woman. Like, my entire life is predicated on the assumption that and I take heroic action to make this the case, that I am gonna be an extreme outlier at everything. And I think that's, like, not that hard to achieve, quite frankly.

It's actually very true. It's like, consider this. Basically, we have no scientific understanding about outliers at all. Like, all medical literature is about the average person. There's no medical literature on, like, high IQ people.

Essentially none. Like, if you're two or three standard deviations above the mean in IQ, we don't know almost anything about you. There's just so few of those people. We don't know if drugs will affect you differently. Is your brain different?

Do you like, all data is fake in this way. And so, like, you have to kind of apply that mindset to the dating discourse too and be like, this is all fake. Like, you can just take action that makes yourself such an that makes you such an outlier, but none of it applies to you.

Yeah. You anytime you read a statistic, you need to remember that, everybody never tries. Most people just are never trying at all to do better than the average. Right? And that's how they that's how they are never able to outrun the average.

It's like getting rich or making money. If someone followed the advice on this show to the tee, if if someone did everything that we said to do, they would be fine. The and and there's still alpha in doing what we say to do and being fine because if everybody on planet Earth was forced to listen to this show for ten hours a day, most of them would still never do the things that we say to do. So if you're here listening to this right now, all you have to do is, like, listen to Wes and do what I say, and you'll be totally fine.

So what you're talking about is agency is a rare skill, and we don't exactly know where it comes from. Sometimes I do wonder, are people simply born with agency? Do people gain agency? Do people lose agency? Have people lost agency, and it seems out of their control?

I have no idea.

I don't know. I don't know if it's yeah. For some I have, like, this weird relationship with the idea of agency. It's like, yeah. You can be high that's good.

Be high agency. I don't know if it's agency that is the the missing thing. It agency is like this word that we use to try to describe, like, outputs, but it doesn't ex it's not very explanatory, I don't feel like, of what's happening. I feel like that what most people struggle with is they don't know what to do. And it's hard, but most people can do hard things, I think.

People work really hard. Like the average person, if you just go talk to a random person in the street, the average person, like, works their ass off. People people will work hard and they can endure a lot. It's that they don't know what the combination of inputs is to get the results that they want.

Here's where I will credit the podcast sphere for doing an amazing amount to communicate. Because if you go back thirty, forty years, what are you gonna do? Are you gonna get the New York Times, and it's gonna tell you what to do? You're watch CBS News in the evening? Before the Internet, there you know, the most you could hope for was some, like, late night Tony Robbins commercial where he'd mail you a bunch of v VHS cassettes.

There really wasn't a way to have people communicate about and, again, we could absolutely debate what it would be called, but but that something that allows them to strive forth, but gives them some framework for understanding it. I think that's incredibly recent. It took the decentralization of communication to get there.

And that was, like, in the past, that used to be the the the comparative advantage of just being, like, what we would call well bred, right, or like coming from a good family. Mhmm. It's like, you know, I had a good dad, but like, he didn't know everything. Right? But you can imagine growing up in like one of these like rich families where like everyone's just sort of successful and gets it.

And it's just like the expectation is that you're going to be successful and gets it. And like the lessons that you can have ingrained into you from a very young age. And part of the reason I look forward to being a father is being able to like because I learned all these things and like some of them I learned from my father. Other things I learned as I got older and I like went online and had like, you know, sort of surrogate fathers and relatives and people online who were just like, you know, people with podcasts basically who are like me geniuses would tell you how to get everything and do everything correctly. And it's like it's great to learn that stuff later in life.

But you know what? It's really great. It's great to learn that before you're five years old and just have it be the way you see the world, and I wanna give that to a human being.

I saw this lot with some Indian developers I worked with, and you could absolutely tell that, you know, some of them and I asked them, and some of them sent me videos where they were working on the rice paddies of their parents' rice paddy in India. And they would say, you know, my parents are completely illiterate. I make more in a month than they make in a year. And they had this rougher edge to them, and their their developer skills might be just as strong, and they might speak just as well. But there were all of these secondary artifacts that were part of their personality that you could tell these people had not been and this is not judgmental, they had not been, as Wes said, well bred.

They didn't have the luxury of having parents provide them all of this vast secondhand knowledge. You know, the dinnertime conversations were not gonna be about sophisticated money conversations or business conversations or, you know, Greek and Roman references. It was gonna be much more matter of fact, and you could tell. I think it takes, what, three, four generations to truly move from poverty to upper class. I think it's four.

Yeah. You know? This is why I'm upset. This is why my wife everybody always makes fun of me for the word felt and sound that I use, and then we got it made it into the New York Times. This is why I'm obsessed with that word because, yeah, it's so explanatory of what is actually predictive of outcomes in life is like your ability to assemble a nested set of heuristics that prescribe useful behavior so that you don't have to rederive the right answer in every situation based on limited information.

You have an understanding of the world that tells you how to behave. And it's it's this it's it's you need a sophisticated, and useful world model, and it's incredibly difficult to build that. It's a family heirloom. It's handed down through generations. And if you're not given that, assembling it yourself is very difficult.

You probably have no chance of

your You can do it. Really high IQ. It might be you might be 40, 50, 60 before you get it.

It's a life project.

You're you're now past the reproductive age. You're now past so many other ages. Whereas if you walk into college with it, you know, having already been born into it, so much easier.

Yeah. Totally. Yeah. And that is a large part of, like, what has you know, this is a well trodden ground. But as you were talking about earlier, Sony, it's like this was the monoculture.

Monoculture handed people this belt and cheong, and now everybody sort of has their own idiosyncratic one. We have, like, all these microbubble you know, microcultures and everything. And so, like, people can't agree, and that causes all this, like, low trust breakdown, etcetera, etcetera. But, like, certainly, it's happening between the genders. It's like men live in their own little filter bubble.

Women live in their own little filter bubble. They don't overlap. We don't know how to talk to each other. And that breeds a lot of cynicism, but, like, you, there is a path. The white pill there, if we want a white pill, it's like the white pill is just like In every situation, there's always some combination of inputs that will produce the output that you There's, like, some combination of actions that you can take.

Largely agreed. I mean, I I think about that, you know, whether it's computer games or driving a car or whatever. You know, you're driving a car across the country. Your actions are really only a little bit left, a little bit right, a bit faster, a bit slower. And with those combinations of actions, you can drive from from New York to LA.

And you get them wrong, you die in a fiery wreck, but it's only four moves, but you gotta do them right.

Yeah. That's right. It's not just that, like, it's not one input at a time. That's what I'm trying to say. It's that oftentimes you have to take a sequence of inputs before you get feedback or multiple inputs simultaneously for extended periods of time before you get feedback.

So you can be making the right move and not knowing it for potentially years and vice versa. You can make the wrong move and not knowing it for years. And so that's why it's so hard is that, like, it's only often in retrospect looking back twenty years can you see the patterns and go, oh, this is what I was doing right or wrong? And that's why it's so important to have mentors, etcetera. This is, this is this is kind of the thesis of this podcast is, like, wouldn't it be nice to have an older brother who gave you the right worldview?

It's like, this is a statistical reality that we're the dating discourse is describing is descriptively, you know, pointing at this, and this is true. But it is also the case that you can achieve very, very different outcomes than the average person by just having the right inputs.

We see this in business the most where numbers can scale. It's very easy in business to have situations where there's five, six orders of magnitude different. Can't really do orders of magnitude and dating different. One or two orders of magnitude, maybe. But you see that in business so clearly.

I was at a pitch event yesterday. There was a, there was a woman pitching a, a social media app for neurodivergent people. So it's so it's imagine Facebook, but everyone there is autistic. And to which I said Perfect. I said Twitter exists.

But no. The I I don't know.

I brought this up. Neurodivergent. Can someone explain this to me? Is it I just think a little bit different, and I wanna advertise that for

you. Back in Sony Sony, back when you were a youth, you guys would have called it just being a fucking weirdo. You know? Now now we have to pathologize answers. They're just neurodivergent.

Yeah. Now if you're the type of guy who gets tased at GameStop because you're changing the color of Sonic the Hedgehog's arms on the GameCube cases. Like, you are you were considered that's a pathological condition. You're not just a fucking freak.

Did the tasing hurt, Wes?

No. It wasn't me. It was not me that that happened to.

There is It a

means you're autistic. It means

That that that might be something interesting to talk about. It's like because I you know, I've always sort of resisted identifying this way, but I'm certainly am and have been neuro neurodivergent by some definition.

Shut the fuck up.

What?

Shut the fuck up. Don't take your idiosyncrasies and be like and try to pathologize them. That's exactly what I'm advocating against. Like, no.

I'm not pathologizing them. That's what I'm saying.

You're not. You're not.

What? It would be reasonable for Cody to say, have traits that people have labeled neurodivergent. No.

However, I literally preface this. Shut up. I literally preface this

by saying,

I've never described myself this way. So this is the first time I've ever described myself this way precisely because of what you're saying, Wes. So I've agreed with you my entire life. Alright? I think it's a little silly to try to describe yourself and label label yourself.

And then what I was trying to get to here was, I think there are a lot of times what's happening is that people who are whatever. Neurodiversion either via self description or not, do whatever. Whatever the weirdness they have, whatever idiosyncrasies they have, whether it be diagnosable or not, there's a a lot of times, it is self maintaining and self exacerbating because they get what's actually happening is they're getting stuck in feedback loops wherein, you know, they are just, like, essentially not being socialized correctly. And, right? They're, like, continuing to learn and reinforce those behaviors.

For I'll give an example of of such a theoretical feedback loop. There are many possible examples. But one might be something like, know, when I try to interact with people in a way that feels like, quote unquote, authentic to me, like they don't like it, they don't respond well, and, you know, I could take that as one of two ways. I could either mean that's like an indictment against me, or I could interpret that as, well, it's actually because they just don't get me because I'm, like, special and cool and different. And so, actually, every time that happens is and that feels way better, so I'm gonna go with that one.

And so now, actually, every time that happens, it's actually a good thing because it reinforces my special self image, which is how I how I cope with the fact that I'm, like, alone and have no friends. And so they just actually become weirder and weirder because they're actually, like, getting some weird positive reinforcement from it internally. Right? I think that sort of type of thing happens all the time. And, like, I've certainly had this weird experience in life where, like, you know, I I I still don't really consider myself, like, a normie or whatever.

But, like, if you sort of steel man the normie position and understand why try to understand why normie things are the way they are, and then you sort of, like, pretend to be a normie for a little while. Just, like, wear wear the, you know, wear the wear the wear the costume. Like, you will realize, like, actually, a lot of normie culture is very adaptive. You'll, like, notice yourself, like, genuinely become less weird. And then you'll you'll look back at your previous weird self and go, oh, wow.

Like, that was totally unnecessary. Look, the point there is just, like, I think a lot of, like, neurodivergent mean, just everybody knows this. Like, it's this weird speaking out of two sides of your mouth. It's this attempt to have your cake and eat it too by saying, I'm a victim, but also I'm special. And it's like, maybe neither in a lot of cases.

I I would I would put the the kind of proudly or proclaimed neurodivergent people in the flag category. People who want their own flag, who, for whatever reason, they're like, oh, my my group needs a flag. And there's a lot of self referential, self reinforcing behavior in that.

Yeah. I think a lot of the neurodivergent I think a lot of times people diagnose themselves with these conditions or say that, oh, I'm special for x y z reason. And it's not because they don't understand themselves. It's because they're just really bad at modeling how normal people think and behave. Yeah.

And so it's like, people are complicated. You know? Like, Stoney, you know, Cody Cody is sitting here coming out as autistic before all of us. And it's easy to forget this is the guy who, you know, led his was the quarterback who led his high school football team to the state championship before tearing his labrum in the fourth quarter and suffering a a humiliating defeat before his loved ones and family. You know?

Like, that's the most normie guy of all time. You hear that story?

You, Cody?

Some parts of those story, that story is true, and some parts are not. And, I'll let the listener

I'm trying to create a legend I'm trying to create a legend of of Cody as, like, this, like, hometown hero. I don't there's something I don't know what it is, but something about that's very fun.

Well, cool. Every time I go back to my hometown, a spontaneous chant erupts. I can't go anywhere.

And all the women come out like a Hallmark movie.

Mhmm.

Did you invent the Internet? I will date you now. Yeah.

That's right. Well, I I think the point I'm I'm trying to get after a little bit here, and as much as I even have a point, is that the way people model the mind of the average person is to take everybody in average their behavior, but there is actually no average person. The way you get to an average person is that, you know, everybody behaves in a certain way and we think a certain way. And for 90% of the things you think and 90 of your behaviors, what you're basically doing is just mirroring the world around you because you can't like, we don't have enough cognitive power to like think from first principles about what you're going to do about everything. It's just that that 10% where you are like thinking for yourself, so to speak, that's going to be a different 10% for every person.

So, like

It's kinda like it's kinda like you have a a a blue square and a red square, and then you and then a statistician comes over and says, oh, the average is, per the average square is purple.

Right. And then the blue square looks at itself and says, oh, I must be special because I'm blue and not purple. And the red square looks at himself and says, I must be special because I'm red and not purple. And in reality, there's no purple square. That's actually a great that's a great, great metaphor for it because that's exactly what I'm thinking.

It's like, you you think you're no neurodivergent because you put mayo on french fries, and you're looking at the guy across the room like, seething at this normie, this conformist. Right? And in his mind

mayo on my french fries.

What, dude. That's my mayo. That's the best that's the best shit of all time. That's the don't don't get me off topic here because if you get me thinking about that.

I've I've I've gone door to door, and people are like, are you a Jehovah Witness? I'm like, no. I'm here to talk to you about homemade mayo. It's really easy.

Yeah.

They still slam the door.

Right. Yeah. I think my point is made.

I mean, I think that, like, it it's interesting because it's like you wanna embrace your idiosyncrasies and your weirdness, in some ways, and in other ways, let them go. It's like there's this balance to strike. Right? It's it's you wanna acknowledge that everybody is has that, and everybody's sort of weird in their own way. And that is an avenue to finding empathy for them.

What is interesting, though, is when you let people just be themselves, some people's being themselves will fit in smoothly into society, and some people are just awkward as hell. And you do feel bad for those who are just struggling every day with that awkwardness.

Totally. I yeah. I'm I feel very empathetic towards them. I think, like, a lot of what you see is, like, you know, this is just the the common sort of trope these days. Right?

It's like, everybody wants to sort of, make their weird thing and, like, make it shine the spotlight on it and make, like, right, accept me, tolerate me. I need representation. I need to be seen on the screen. It's like, I've never felt represented anywhere. I'm a straight white guy, and I've never been represented on the screen.

I've never seen somebody with my weird interior life shown on the screen. And, like, I'm kinda proud of that. That's fine. I don't feel a need to be represented by the middle of the bell curve in the mainstream society. I feel like that's the pathology.

It's the the pathology is going, I'm weird, and also that makes me a victim. And the solution to my victimhood is that, like, all of society needs to carry me off on their shoulders. It's like, no. This is actually the secret to your like, this is good. It's it's good that you're weird.

That's fine. That's great. Like, that is your alpha. That's the thing that's gonna bond you to peep certain people way more than others, and it's gonna be what is emancipatory and allows you to escape the statistics. And don't you wanna escape the statistics?

Never tell me the odds. Go find the way that your weirdness is an advantage.

The only time Cody's felt represented in media was the alien squeak toy from the claw machine in Toy Story two. I think that's, like, the only the only character I can think of that even slightly reminds me of you. Right? Where it's like, my only representation I ever felt was the Roger Moore, James Bond movies.

I identify with the sand crawler in Star Wars.

The you're the you're the the worm from Dune. Uh-huh. Yeah. Exactly. Representation's stupid.

Dude, if you if you watch a TV show and you're like, this character needs to be like me, then, like, you're stupid. Like, the whole point of a TV show is to, like, enjoy Right. But that's

a point. Inside the

brain of a different person.

Everybody wants to feel the warm blanket of, like, social acceptance of just be, oh, I just wanna be in the middle of the bell curve. I don't wanna have to be like, nobody can care. It's like the Dostoevsky thing. Like, nobody can carry the weight of self determination and agency and, like, self and and, like, being an individual. But, like, that's what modernity calls us to do.

And, like, if you can do that, like, it'll

I especially don't understand it in a world where we have, like, communication online. Brother, if you have any autistic, strange, weird obsession in your life, you can go on Reddit and find 10,000 other people obsessed with train whistles or, you know, shortwave radio frequencies or, you know, the whatever it is, you know, police sirens like like if you no matter what your weird thing is, it could be sex stuff. It could be anything. There is a community of people online who share your exact thing. So what I don't understand is like, why does neurodivergent need to be it like, it doesn't like, what makes it a community?

And with with this world, was pitching this apple, gave me a pro it wasn't that the app is for neurodivergent people, but it was for the neurodivergent community. It's like

Let me let me jump in here.

Yeah. That is not like an oxymoron. It's like

This fucking weird tower of babble where it's just every fucking weird We're all alone community.

We're all together.

Yeah.

Yeah. Let me also say that when you think about someone happily married with kids, they're not on this app. You don't meet someone who's happily married with three kids and needs to talk about how they're neurodivergent or this or that. And I think a lot of this is this desperate need to be loved and to feel part of something. And I think people who are part of a family get that feeling taken care of.

Now whether that's the cause or the effect or both, I can't tell you. But it is fascinating that everyone who's in these things usually is single. If you can solve your neurodivergence by not being single or you can solve your singleness by not being neurodivergent, we're not sure which way it goes.

Yep. I feel like the problem is, like, we we have our we're we are we're trying to make ourselves part of the dating discourse.

That let me let me defend the dating discourse for a second here.

Oh, interesting. Right?

It is people trying to solve one of the most fundamental and important parts of their life and the most important part of their genetic heritage. So I think it's possibly underinvested, and we're all, at least those of us who are single, we're all struggling with it. We all want the silver bullet, and even the hard graft doesn't even seem to pay off that well. You know? And then I think the challenge is if we were to I was thinking about this earlier today.

What if you had a website with which was like, help people, you know, identify the traits you need to work on for the opposite sex to find you interesting? The challenge is, again, the stated preferences are not the observed preferences, and I think that certainly for women, but I also suspect for men too.

If only they were keeper. That's what we're doing.

What do you guys say about stated and observed preferences? You know, what what data have you found?

Revealed preferences is the term. Thank you. Thank you.

I can't have this conversation again. I just can't.

Only talked about this every day for

I I just years. Can't. My neuro my neurodivergent quality is that I can't do something without simultaneously belittling it, whether it's you know? I I think the dating discourse is gay, so I started dating discourse podcast or, like, you know, whatever it is. Do we really wanna talk about stated revealed preferences?

Apparently not. So we'll just we'll just move on from that one.

Stated preferences are gonna get you, like, a lot of the way there. There it's not you all the way there. Yeah. It's a starting point. And when you're doing matchmaking, the stated preferences are important because they tell us not, you know, necessarily.

You the woman that you need to have, but they tell us the woman that you think that you need to have because there is a sales process that comes down the road when you see your match for the first time. So even if you if if, you know, if you say to me, I will not date a woman with a, b sized, you know, cup, a b cup, whatever, you know, with a normal sized tit there. And if I had an omnipotent god that knew that your optimal match that would lead to the highest utility in your life had an a cup, you're not gonna say yes to that match because you're not gonna take the word of the omnipotent god because the omnipotent god is showing you something that you think you don't want. So the at least the stated preferences are important in as far as that. And it doesn't have to be a 100% of both, but the revealed preferences are going to very often, I would say, accentuate or provide color to the stated the revealed preferences are going to accentuate or provide color to the stated preferences.

They're usually not going to openly contradict them.

Yeah. And maybe slightly reweight them. But, specifically, I was saying to Stoney what, you know, we're we're working on exactly what you're talking about, which is like a personalized self improvement, you know, tooling and features where we can tell you how what you need to do to make yourself more attractive, not just to the middle of the bell curve, which is the really the point that we were talking about earlier. It's like, you really shouldn't worry about being trying to make yourself more this is my point of dating discourse. Like, okay.

I'm not saying there shouldn't be a dating discourse. There can be a dating discourse. It's understandable. It it is a real problem today. That is undoubtable.

The challenge is just that it inevitably devolves into the least helpful version of itself that it could possibly be. The actual content of the dating discourse is horrendous and it is usually a 180 degrees reverse from what would actually be helpful.

And by the way, how much of that is because everyone engaged in the dating discourse are the people who largely haven't found their mates?

Totally.

So what you really have, and I'm I'm gonna happily if you wanna accuse me of being in this bucket, be, you know, be my guest. But what you have are all the people who didn't figure it out Yeah. Offering you advice on how to figure it out, and we all wonder why it's not going that well.

It's adversely selected, and, and people want to they want an explanation for why they're struggling. Right? And that's part of why the incentive They want an

easy explanation. They do not want a difficult explanation.

That's right. That's right. An exculpatory Pain free.

Yeah. Pain free. It's not your fault. Yeah. It's never it's never your responsibility.

Right. That absolves them from and so, yeah, it's like that rewards the worst takes. It's like the the the most adversely selected people giving you the most, absolving oversimplifying takes and so to yeah. And it's like, you know, so don't listen to any of that shit. It's all retarded.

It you'd it's invert it's inverse Kramer. I love this is one of my favorite it's the funniest thing that's ever happened where Jim where there's the inverse Kramer fund and it's like it's up like a 150% or something like this. If you just had an inverse dating discourse that just inverted everything dating discourse said, you'd be more right, then that would be a positive, you know, a a, that that fund would have alpha. Anyway, I don't know. Is there a point there?

Yeah. It's just like this is all it's just it feels so dumb to come on our podcast and just go opposite, like, inverse I guess that's why we're needed. Like, you know, that's we're the heroes that people not deserve, but need.

Well well, I mean, to speak of representation and not, you know, to to not be doing a bit about this a little bit, like, we are the representation for you if you're listening to this and you're like, everything's stupid and I can't figure out what's going on and I'm confused and there's all this conflicting advice and a lot of it's bad advice. Like, well, we are here to let you live vicariously through us and and sit in this room with us and have a parasocial relationship and let us be your older brother who never told you these things that you needed to know. This is your representation. We are you. And you can take our advice or you can ignore our advice or, you know, sometimes our advice is meant to be maybe a little bit ironic and not taken, and you should be able to recognize when those times are.

But but also to speak of neurodivergence, like, human experience is just so varied, and it's a little bit like how every person every day it does feel mind blowing to think that every person on planet Earth every single day utters a sentence that has never been uttered before. But in that same sense, whatever your exact problem is right now, you're probably the first person to ever be having that problem and that exact flavor of that problem. However, since the beginning of time, people have been having problems that are the same flavor of whatever problem you're having right now. And really, there are only about four or five problems. They just come in different varieties and the different varieties can be very unique, but the solutions are going to be the same about every time and they're going to be very simple solutions.

They're going to be such simple solutions, in fact, that you find them trite when you hear them. But the solution being trite doesn't mean that you shouldn't implement it because it is the actual solution. So, that might sound very broad.

It's like that really annoying advice when you're like, lost something and people are like, well, did you look where you last saw it? And you're like, well, of course I did, but it's still good advice.

Yeah. It's like, yeah. You know? You're you're not a purple square. The person you're looking for is not a purple square.

And the dating discourse is all shouting about purple squares. And so, like, ignore it. Double down on being whatever weird colored square you are and just go to where other the other weird colored squares are.

Yeah.

And let's all enjoy Wes's tweets. I will make sure that I chime in even more.

I'll try to

say something inflammatory.

Look. I just just a blanket message here to all the women who are mad at me online. If I may say one thing to all of you, shut the hell up. Shut just shut the fuck up.

That was Okay. That was very bridging. You're trying to get there.

Yeah. Well, no. Look. Dude, people are calling me an incel online. I might be a lot of things, but I am not an incel.

I wanna just I need to post more pictures of myself. I don't understand how you get called an incel and you look like me.

That's just the go to, and you look like me.

It just means we don't like you, and therefore we're gonna call you something that's insulting.

They're just trying to find the thing that's gonna hurt the most.

You're a racist. You're a Nazi. All of those insults, they're not saying it because they've logically constructed, you know, of these are his traits. Yeah. Can we just take a moment and a moment of silence for the people in Europe who have leaders that don't like air conditioning?

And can we just pray for those poor suffering souls and their stupid, stupid leaders? Do you guys have you heard about this?

Have you heard don't know any have no idea what you're talking about.

Europe is pretty much banned air conditioners. Local city governments will come around and demand you remove your air conditioning unit. New hospitals are being built without air conditioning. So you have operating rooms at 95, a 100 degrees Fahrenheit because they don't have it have because they don't have air conditioning in modern hospitals.

Wait. Why don't they have air conditioning?

Because they're so obsessed with net zero that they are just trying to make everyone uncomfortable. And even if you have a health reason, they still might not let you get air conditioning. So air conditioning is it's crazy. And just remember, more Europeans die of air conditioning than Americans die of gun injuries every year.

I was about to say that because that's the thing they're always like, oh, at least my shoes

got in short. Okay. That's it. Not having air That's that is barbarism. That's

was so grossed out.

That's horrific. That's so the you know, the right, you know, the right wing tech bros always talk about how, like, you know, left wing is a death cult. And Europe

Europe is

This is it.

Edge of this.

I always roll my eyes, and now I'm now I'm like, alright. Well, they have a point. This does They

have to have these internal air conditioners. They have to open their window a little bit, and they have to have, like, two vents that are mostly hidden so you can't see it from the outside. So they have to have clandestine air conditioners, bootlegging or distillery in prohibition.

Clandestine. Before we cut here, just because it's related, I wanna read this tweet that I wrote about The United States, and this is gonna be, like, our fourth of July episode. So if you may indulge me

This is stupid.

It's a good tweet. Okay. Fine. I won't read it. Fuck you.

Wanna hear it. Fuck my dick. No. I'm not reading it. Fourth of I'm

not reading it. I'm reading We're dating puckers. It's some rant about America. I'm not

gonna read it. I'm not gonna read it.

That's a

good tweet. Not gonna read it. Yeah.

We're also oh, no. Wes, no. Don't okay. Read the tweet. Don't deprive us.

I'm not gonna read it.

Wes, no.

Won't be reading it, Wes. Cry all you want.

Don't read the tweet. We're being deprived. Oh, we're missing out.

I did wanna hear the tweet, I no longer do.

I'm not reading it. You're playing hard to get with your tweet. I'm not reading it.

And I'm not gonna give this

Cody. More on it. Because, Tony, Sony, you can stop begging.

I'm not reading the tweet. Oh, no. I don't want it anymore. You

can stop begging. I if you can start reading doing it. I'm not doing it.

Start reading, we're gonna hang up.